Victoria Kleinsman (00:01.422)
And we are live. I don’t want to upgrade Riverside. Stop asking me that when I’m literally in the middle of recording. Well, here we are again. Welcome to both our podcasts, The Body Love Binge and… We’re going to dive in because we’ve got short on time today. We’re here for half an hour. So Julia said, demanded actually, I go first because she went first last time.

Julia Trehane (00:13.915)
Flight to freedom.

Julia Trehane (00:23.963)
Good morning, good, yeah, no I just said it’s your turn.

Victoria Kleinsman (00:26.606)
No, it is my turn. Right, where are my questions? Okay, so Georgia says, what would you advise to get my period back? Her weight’s been stable for six weeks, extreme hunger has settled, she’s eating regularly and fully, including all the food group, dessert, snacks, everything. She’s not had a period in 10 years and she wants to restore it. Is it a matter of time? Do I need to gain more weight on purpose?

Julia Trehane (00:54.499)
Okay, are you resting? Are you allowing your body time to just rest and heal? Because that’s a big thing. It’s not just about the food. If you are not allowing yourself to rest, your body won’t be able to do all the healing work properly. It’s well known that our body heals the daily wear and tear when we’re asleep at night. But the years of deprivation,

I mean, there’s a lot more healing work to do. So the more you can just lie back and relax, the better. And it sounds like you’re honoring all your hunger, eating regularly and fully. So I don’t think you need to force feed yourself. I think you just need to be patient and your body will do the repair work when she’s ready.

Victoria Kleinsman (01:29.368)
Mm.

Victoria Kleinsman (01:41.676)
Mm.

Victoria Kleinsman (01:51.692)
Yeah, I agree that only one thing I will add is to, I’m not rushing myself to find the word, please word come to me. Something to make something what you’ve said bigger, magnify, but that’s not what word would I use in context to, thank you, yes, to expand on what you’ve just said in terms of rest.

Julia Trehane (02:08.335)
Expand.

Victoria Kleinsman (02:14.218)
I’m asking Georgia, are you in rest and digest as much as possible in comparison to fight, flight or freeze? And it doesn’t mean we’re in a stress response that’s not okay when we’re in fight, flight or freeze because we do go into stress response as humans every day, but not chronically. So it’s not just about the eating, as Julie said, it’s about what’s your nervous system? How is that? Is it relaxed generally? If not, then spend more time working on nervous system regulation.

patient and have fun and yeah don’t force feed yourself just keep eating on restrictively and it will crack. Yes.

Julia Trehane (02:51.991)
Yeah. And regularly though, it’s in early, well when you first sort of recovered and you start to get back to normal life again and you’re focusing on other things and there’s more space in your head, it’s actually really quite easy to miss hunger signals because your brain’s focused on other things. So from a place of self-care, it’s important to nourish yourself regularly.

and never, like keep having your snacks, keep having all your meals, whether you are hungry for them or not.

Victoria Kleinsman (03:27.49)
Yes, agree. And if you are exercising at the gym, I wouldn’t for now. No, just completely rest, chill out, enjoy, eat unrestrictedly, nourish yourself well, and be patient.

Julia Trehane (03:32.75)
No, I wouldn’t.

Julia Trehane (03:40.249)
Yeah. Okay. How to cope with judgments from your own elderly parents about body size in recovery.

Victoria Kleinsman (03:53.464)
Well, first of all, that’s really hard. So really feel this person. So the first thing that comes to mind is how open is this person to speaking to the parents? She said elderly. I’m assuming she said that for a reason, perhaps.

Julia Trehane (03:55.406)
It is.

Victoria Kleinsman (04:10.786)
They are how they are, they’re not gonna change, I don’t know, but I’m assuming that with what she said. So how open are you to having a conversation that their comments actually really affect you emotionally? So go in with vulnerability and openness. If that’s something you’re absolutely not willing to do or you think would just be no point, then you need to start setting boundaries. Whether or not they…

respect your boundaries a different thing altogether but the difference between a request and a boundary is a request is simply a request when you say this this is how it makes me feel please can you stop and if they if they don’t listen the request is broken a boundary is the same as a request but with a consequence so if they cross your boundary and do something that you’ve asked them not to do what consequence is going to be put in place are you going to leave the room are you going to say

okay I’m not gonna come round next week into like…

You don’t have to treat them like children, but you need to set boundaries with consequences. If you’re not open to doing any of that, you need to be doing a lot of internal work to protect yourself when the comments are made. Because I’m questioning how old are you when, I mean, not how old are you now, but when your parents are saying these things to you, how old are you? Do you go back to the six year old version of you, the nine year old version of you? Like, what’s the family dynamic that plays out when you’re in their presence?

and that’s something to work on, spend time with the younger you that kind of is being present in those times and also that’s hurting a lot.

Julia Trehane (05:48.379)
Yeah, and I would just add to everything you’ve said, but also to reassure yourself that their conditioning and their opinions were made decades ago. And they have not had the reason or wherewithal to question them. It’s just the thoughts they’ve their lives by and that

isn’t actually a reflection of you. It is just their conditioning. So when the part of you is flinching back, show up for yourself and say, this is just their old fashioned conditioning and it’s their worries, it’s not mine. I don’t need to make it mean anything about me.

Victoria Kleinsman (06:21.431)
No.

Victoria Kleinsman (06:42.222)
It’s what she’s making it mean. for example, if my mum says something to me, I mean, she’s my mum, we’re always going to have that connection of mother-daughter. It’s not like I don’t care about what she says I do, but because I’m strong in who I am now.

I don’t really care if she says something like, you’ve put weight on or maybe you should do this. Like, I don’t care. It doesn’t touch me emotionally anymore because I’ve done the inner work and continue to do so. We’re never fully there. It’s always a work in progress. So get clear on why it bothers you. mean, obviously why it bothers you, but for you personally, get deeper with that. Okay, so Ailey says,

She was looking into doing a certified intuitive eating course with Eveline Triboli and Elise Reese. You know the traditional intuitive eating book, which I don’t recommend by the way for a reason I might go into. One outcome mentioned was that people who’ve lost weight still have blunted metabolisms and can’t eat like someone who’s naturally in a smaller body. This confused me. Is intuitive eating still holding diet culture ideas? Am I doing it wrong?

is their version full of contradictions.

Julia Trehane (07:58.469)
think intuitive eating, if you’re following a book, particularly that book, is another set of rules.

Victoria Kleinsman (08:10.977)
I.

Julia Trehane (08:13.893)
To me, the ultimate goal is to not even have to think about it, to be so in tune with your body that you don’t have to think about it at all. But I also feel that, again, from a place of self-care, you have to be aware of your history. And if you’ve had a history of an eating disorder or disordered eating,

you cannot eat as intuitively or as freely as somebody who has never had any issues with food. Like I mentioned earlier, when you’re busy, your head can sometimes miss hunger signals. For me, when I’m stressed, the first thing that goes is I lose my appetite and it’s a stress response, but because of my history, I still make sure I feed myself.

Victoria Kleinsman (08:53.518)
Hmm.

Victoria Kleinsman (09:04.695)
Mm.

Victoria Kleinsman (09:11.438)
Yeah.

Julia Trehane (09:13.089)
So personally, think intuitive eating is, it is just another set of rules and I don’t think it caters to the individual. You’ve got to find out what works for you rather than following another set of guidelines really.

Victoria Kleinsman (09:33.876)
I agree because before diet culture, intuitive eating was just called eating.

Julia Trehane (09:39.927)
It was.

Victoria Kleinsman (09:40.654)
It’s just eating what feels right, eating what sounds good, listening to your body and Ailey, I know Ailey because she’s in my group, there’s a podcast I’ve done ages ago called This is Why I’m Not an Intuitive Eating Coach. So if you go on my new website, it’s a new website, it’s epic, there’s actually a search bar now. If you click on podcast, you can search like a title and it should, if it doesn’t let me know, because I’ll sort it out, it should bring up the podcast I’m talking about so it will find it a lot easier. So listen to that.

but without going into it too much intuitive eating guidelines are don’t eat emotionally basically only eat if you’re physically hungry stop when you’re full that’s too many rules especially with someone who’s had a past of a history of restriction we just turn that into another set of rules like Julia’s saying so eating needs to be easy and peaceful

Julia Trehane (10:31.653)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (10:32.948)
not like, am I hungry enough? I’m eating emotionally, this isn’t okay. It is okay. And what they’re saying in terms of the metabolism thing, if I hear correctly, is that if you diet a lot, your metabolism slows down, therefore you’ll never be able to eat as much as someone who’s never dieted before. That’s not true. Initially it slows down, yes, because your body is slowing everything down because it’s not got enough energy. But over time, if you keep fueling that fire, which is your metabolism, it will go back and above and beyond.

what it has been before when you’re actually nourishing yourself so don’t get certified by them this is my opinion only that’s why I recommend the Fuck It Diet book over by Caroline Dooner over the Intuitive Eating book.

Julia Trehane (11:06.725)
Yeah.

Julia Trehane (11:18.937)
Yeah, and also intuitive eating doesn’t take into account the, I’ve got a meeting at lunchtime, I’m not hungry now, but I might be really hungry by the time the meeting’s over, so I’ll have a snack now. It doesn’t take into account flexibility and self-care.

Victoria Kleinsman (11:34.07)
Yes, it’s self-care.

Yeah, exactly. So you’re not doing it wrong, Ailee. Yes, I believe intuitive eating is another set of rules, hence why we don’t follow that to the latter. Just trust yourself.

Julia Trehane (11:50.245)
Yeah, that’s the ultimate, isn’t it?

Victoria Kleinsman (11:52.78)
Yeah, self-trust. Yeah.

Julia Trehane (11:54.919)
it’s my turn, isn’t it? Okay, I have a several part question, but it’s all the same question but in several parts, so let me get it up. When I reach my set point range, will I naturally stay at that weight? I’ll read all the parts and then you can pick bits. If I continue eating when I’m not hungry, will I not just carry on gaining weight? I’m worried.

Victoria Kleinsman (12:00.171)
Okay.

Okay.

Victoria Kleinsman (12:14.542)
Okay.

Julia Trehane (12:22.437)
that I won’t have all my hunger cues back and I’ll continue gaining weight forever.

Victoria Kleinsman (12:29.1)
I love this question. Because I had all these questions. When I also find out there was a set point weight range that usually ranges around seven to ten pounds per person, I was like, so if there’s a range and if I can keep myself at the lowest end of the range, lol, doesn’t work, trust me, I tried it. Then at least I’ll be in my set point range.

but I’ll be in the lowest point. But then actually the whole point of me trying to do that was still me trying to manipulate and control my weight regardless of where it was in its range. So just that doesn’t work. Anyone who wants to try that, don’t bother. You’ll end up either binging your face off or back in the hell hole of severe restriction. And I want to say something before I answer that question directly. Being at your set point weight naturally happens.

as a by-product of you having a free, peaceful, healthy relationship with yourself and food. When I say the word healthy, I don’t mean eating, quote unquote, healthy foods. I mean healthy in terms of peaceful, free, relaxed relationship with yourself, your body, and food. You will naturally arrive at your set point, because you’ll be eating when you want, like we just talked about. Not intuitive eating, just, I call intuitive eating intuition eating.

eating what feels right and trusting yourself. So to speak to her questions directly, yes if you, she didn’t say this but it’s worth saying, if you force feed yourself

and eat when you don’t want to eat, which is not what she’s saying. She’s obviously still got a bit of fear about eating when she’s not hungry. It’s okay to eat when you’re not hungry. Your body is not stupid. It knows what to do. Over time, over the case of like a month, you will have times where you eat, let’s say, the whole cheesecake because it tastes delicious and you’re not hungry and it’s fine. And then next week you might be a little less hungrier because your body’s just doing its balancing thing out without you having to do anything to interfere.

Victoria Kleinsman (14:24.93)
But speaking to set point, could force feed myself and gain weight. Yeah. But when I ate easily and intuitively again, would, my weight would go back to what it is now. I could also restrict and I could lose weight. And when I eat normally and intuitively and relaxed again, it will go back to where I am now. So when you’re afraid that you’re eating when you’re not hungry, first of all, what’s the big deal? I mean, obviously it’s weight gain, but why is weight gain such a fear still do some inner work more around weight gain, but also just

It’s no biggie. Your body knows what to do. Trust over the course of like a month, three months, a year, your body’s just going to balance out and just listen to yourself. You won’t keep gaining weight forever and ever and ever. I promise you, me and Julia thought that we would. Everyone we work with thinks they’ll gain weight forever and ever. You won’t. You just have to keep taking one day at a time, eat unrestrictedly, tune into your body, work on your emotional regulation, work on your body image, have fun. Don’t take life seriously. We all die.

Make it worth it.

Julia Trehane (15:26.821)
I totally agree and the next part of this question is so why are some people so overweight?

Victoria Kleinsman (15:35.886)
again, love this question. What does she mean by overweight? I’m assuming she means, I don’t like to even use these terms, but morbidly obese, like someone in a very, very large body who’s perhaps struggling to get around, has a lot of health problems and all these things. And I need to put this in the modules because I get asked this a lot individually and I always end up answering it without actually doing a whole recording on it. Right, there’s so many layers to this. For example, if someone’s…

I’m going to use her words, very overweight. You don’t know what’s going on with them. Is this person been shamed their entire lives for being bigger? Have they tried diet after diet after diet, which actually causes weight gain long-term? Are they eating all this processed food in response to all the shame? Are they emotionally eating? Are they comfort eating? Are they…

eating in secret because of the shame. Do they even know what connecting to their body means? Have they had sexual abuse when they’re younger and their body protecting themselves with adipose tissue? Are they working on their trauma? Have they got access to nourishing healthy food? Have they got access to or do they even know what moving their body means in a loving way? Are they seeing a therapist and perhaps like there’s there’s so many things that are going on with a person that we have no idea. It’s not as simple as your fat. So therefore it’s your

so therefore you’re eating too much. No. There’s so much I can say about this. I’m going to stop myself in case you want to add something.

Julia Trehane (17:02.879)
Just with the people who are in bigger bodies that are obviously not where their body feels the best, when you’re deeply restricting, one of the main reasons is it’s a coping mechanism to restrict your feelings. The same goes when you are eating excessively.

Victoria Kleinsman (17:12.621)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (17:23.383)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (17:29.261)
Yeah.

Julia Trehane (17:29.697)
It’s a coping mechanism to restrict your feelings. It’s the same thing, but just the other side of the coin. So somebody in a body like that, who is clearly struggling, it could easily be another eating disorder. It can be another way of trying to cope with a world that feels like they can’t cope with it.

Victoria Kleinsman (17:36.162)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (17:52.846)
Exactly that and there’s a difference, people don’t know this, not many people know this, there’s a difference between binge eating and emotional eating. Binge eating is always point blank a reaction to restriction. Past restriction, current restriction, fear of impending restriction. That goes for physical restriction and mental and emotional restriction. Emotional eating is exactly what Julia’s said, trying to deal with your emotions. And that’s not a bad thing because the moment we make it a bad

Julia Trehane (18:19.609)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (18:22.85)
thing what happens is we try to not eat emotionally and then emotional eating spirals into binge eating this is what I did because you’re reacting in response to trying to restrict and then it just is a just a big fucking clusterfuck of shit shows

Julia Trehane (18:37.103)
Yeah, you’re just sitting in a cloud of shame.

Victoria Kleinsman (18:39.982)
Yes, and that’s not funny. And so it’s not an easy question to answer directly, but there’s so much going on with an individual. And also some people are just in bigger bodies. that’s there. Reagan Chastain, who’s in a very big body, she runs like ultra marathons. She’s just naturally in a big body. So.

Julia Trehane (18:42.5)
No.

Julia Trehane (19:03.077)
Yeah, genetics plays a huge part in that. Just like some people are really, really tall and some people are really, really short. Genetics.

Victoria Kleinsman (19:05.795)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly. So much to that question, but I’m glad that she asked it. What time we on? no. Okay. 10 minutes. Can we, can I ask too, but can I answer my second one that Sue asked us the other day? So I’ll ask you, I’ll ask you one from.

Julia Trehane (19:27.918)
Yeah, sure.

Victoria Kleinsman (19:33.102)
Oh, this is a good one for you, Julia, from Micah. She says, I would love to hear about the fatigue that comes with recovery when you’ve hadn’t eaten it for decades. So when you decide to recover and then you eat food and you think you’re going to get energy and then all of a sudden it’s like the tidiest you’ve ever been in your entire life.

Julia Trehane (19:50.523)
And it really is, it is, my God, it’s like, it’s like nothing else. I remember like the whole just trying to have a shower. I would actually have to sit on the floor of the bath to have a shower because standing up was too exhausting. And then I would have to lie back down again after I’d had the shower.

It is basically your body hits you with an absolute wave of exhaustion so that you cannot do. You have to just be. And your body’s being incredibly smart and incredibly clever because it’s making you sit the fuck down and let it get on with the things it needs to do to heal. But…

Victoria Kleinsman (20:38.328)
Yeah.

Julia Trehane (20:40.279)
In your head, it’s like, well, aren’t I supposed to have more energy now when finally eating? Aren’t I supposed to be feeling better? Why do I feel so much worse? And it is just part of the process. It’s not imagined. It really is unbelievably exhausting. It’s like having really severe flu where you just barely can move at all. And…

Victoria Kleinsman (21:04.184)
Yeah.

Julia Trehane (21:06.189)
It is part of the process and when you step back out of the feelings of it and realise what your body’s actually doing, it’s incredibly smart. And it’s really helpful because it stops you from all the doing, doing, doing, the low level movement, the compulsive exercise, all those things that you actually need to stop, your body forces you to stop. It is, but it doesn’t feel like it at the time.

Victoria Kleinsman (21:26.03)
So it’s a blessing in disguise.

No, because I didn’t experience that like you did because my anorexia merged into blemure so mine wasn’t a decision to literally heal. was so much over time, the binge eating kind of was in there so I didn’t have the experience where you were like, I literally can’t get off the sofa.

Julia Trehane (21:40.912)
Mmm.

Julia Trehane (21:49.145)
Yeah, it is really, really tough and your head is saying, my God, I’m so lazy now, I’m useless, I’m not achieving anything, I’m not being productive, and your head is saying all these things because you’re doing something different, not because any of them are true.

And if you think about it, if somebody did have severe flu or was in treatment for a disease, a physical disease, or had broken the legs, you would have no problem with them just lying there and doing nothing to allow their bodies to heal. You would have no problem at all.

Victoria Kleinsman (22:05.89)
Yes.

Victoria Kleinsman (22:20.258)
Hmm. Yes.

Yes.

Julia Trehane (22:26.253)
It’s only the eating disorder giving you the shame thoughts and the guilt thoughts that is making it feel wrong. But actually, it is you are recovering from an illness and your body needs you to stay still so that it can do the healing.

Victoria Kleinsman (22:43.79)
I’ve got nothing to add to that because I’ve not had that experience. Yes, obviously I want you to answer it as well, but you’ll see why I really want to answer it and you probably know what question I’m going to ask. Our lovely Sue asked us the other day, she said something like, I’m paraphrasing here Sue, can binge eating turn into like a bad habit once you’re in freedom? And then she deleted the response actually that I didn’t.

You responded, but then I couldn’t find what you was responding to in our little WhatsApp group.

Julia Trehane (23:15.535)
just asked her what she would say to somebody else who’d asked her that question.

Victoria Kleinsman (23:21.688)
but you was responding to something she answered in my response and then she deleted that. anyway, because I asked her the question, what does she mean by binge eating? Because any binge eating is a response to restriction. So I’m assuming, I don’t like to always assume, but from the context of the information I’ve got, I’m assuming she means, let’s say someone eats chocolate every night in recovery and then now they’re recovered and.

Julia Trehane (23:28.163)
I know.

Julia Trehane (23:35.289)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (23:47.572)
Is it going to just become like a bad habit now? Well, first of all, why is it bad? Why is it a bad thing if you have a habit that you eat dessert every night, for example? Get clear around why it’s even a bad thing. And as far as habits go, yes and no. And I say yes and no because…

First of all, there’s nothing wrong with eating food as a habit. Second of all, if you really don’t want to do that habit anymore from a place of non-restriction that has to be absolutely bold and underlined, you can then change the habit like with anything else. But I dare you to find a reason that’s not rooted in restriction or fear of weight gain. Unless a doctor or something says to you, you cannot ever eat sugar ever again or that you’re gonna die or something.

I challenge you to find a reason not to. If for some reason you magically find a reason that is not rooted in restriction for not having a, quote unquote, habit of eating chocolate, let’s say, every night, then allowance creates space for choice.

It’s just simply like, okay, so let’s say you have a habit of biting your fingernails. I don’t want to do that anymore because I want nice nails. It’s not a nice habit, whatever. you can choose with effort and consistency to get yourself out of that habit, but you have to have a reason why that’s not rooted from fear.

Julia Trehane (25:07.355)
have nothing to add to that.

Victoria Kleinsman (25:10.168)
There we go. I’m trying to get anything else habitual to say. No, I don’t think I’ve got anything to add to that either. Apart from, don’t worry when you’re in eating disorder recovery and you’re allowing all these things. Don’t worry about, my God, what if it becomes a habit that I’m eating like 20,000 calories a day? It won’t. It won’t.

Julia Trehane (25:30.947)
No, it won’t. We all think that. Every person in recovery thinks, I’m going to be eating this much forever and I’m just going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger until I’m that Veronica what not off of Willy Wonka and turn into this giant thing and explode. How many people have exploded from just eating so much forever and ever? I don’t know of any.

Victoria Kleinsman (25:44.864)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (25:52.107)
You

Victoria Kleinsman (25:56.686)
No, that won’t happen. And so habitually, if allowance creates space for choice, if you don’t want a habit, if it’s not rooted in fear, you can just simply change it like any other habit. But Julia knows I have a, let’s say a habit of eating chocolate every night with a cup of tea after dinner. I like that habit. If I’ve run out of chocolate, I’m annoyed, but I’m not.

panicking or like obsessively bring to the supermarket I’m just like oh that’s annoying I’ve run out of chocolate oh well

Julia Trehane (26:28.089)
Yeah, are you, do you give yourself permission to do this stuff? I mean, if you are eating chocolate and saying, shouldn’t be eating this, then you’re gonna start feeling shame and guilt and stuff around it. But if you’re just like, I fancy some chocolate, I can have some chocolate and that’s okay, then you have the freedom of choice.

Victoria Kleinsman (26:37.461)
Exactly.

Victoria Kleinsman (26:52.876)
Yeah, allowance always creates space for choice. Cool.

Julia Trehane (26:55.609)
Yeah.

I’ve got one more question. We’ve got time. Okay, it’s a good one actually. What challenges have you faced or are you facing in life after recovery?

Victoria Kleinsman (27:00.494)
We’ll try and turbocharge it.

Victoria Kleinsman (27:10.13)
For me, it’s motherhood. And it’s not a bad challenge. It’s all good challenge. It’s not all challenging either. But motherhood, lack of sleep still, is a challenge for me. And also not having hardly any time to myself is a big challenge right now. Sometimes I go to the bathroom and just be like, and then take three breaths. I’m like, okay, let’s continue. That’s my challenge right now.

Julia Trehane (27:37.765)
of my facing.

just growing the eating disorder recovery circle, which is involving me being more seen than I’ve ever been, being more visible than I’ve ever been. And so it’s just the reassurance, reassuring myself that people aren’t gonna know about it unless I tell them. And if somebody doesn’t wanna know about it, they don’t have to listen and that’s okay.

Victoria Kleinsman (27:55.886)
Mm.

Julia Trehane (28:13.955)
It’s safe to be fully, fully seen and just keep on practicing it, doing it, going there until it becomes completely natural.

Victoria Kleinsman (28:17.228)
Yes.

Victoria Kleinsman (28:24.066)
Yeah, there’s always something to be working on. Yeah, otherwise we’re dying. Well, we are always dying. We’re all dying at this point. We’re going to die eventually. But yeah, challenge is where it is, where life’s all about, I think. Because then your comfort zone gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

Julia Trehane (28:26.019)
always good to learn and grow.

Julia Trehane (28:44.72)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (28:47.461)
Yeah. All right, well, thank you for your questions. Next time it will be an hour. And for me…

Julia Trehane (28:53.487)
Yes.

Victoria Kleinsman (28:55.754)
If you would like your question prioritised, I’ve got a few things going on, just quickly share. In my group coaching, I’m prioritising them asking questions that I’m going to ask, answer first. And I’ve got a question on my Instagram story highlights, where you can drop your question for the podcast. And then I’ll get to that when I’ve prioritised the recovery group that I’m supporting right now.

and Julia’s just taking questions anyway, I think. Are you?

Julia Trehane (29:25.243)
Yes, yep. But you can also, if you’re part of the circle, you can also ask questions in there as well and they all get answered too.

Victoria Kleinsman (29:34.446)
and I’m gonna plug my free group and I’m gonna encourage you to plug your circle. If you’re not in my free support group, why not? It’s completely free. Every month I do live coaching calls, hot seat coaching. And there’s also, wow, I think.

10, 15 hours of previously recorded Hot Seat coaching course that you can access for free. There’s workshops in there, there’s support every day from the other women in there. So come and join if you haven’t. The link will be below and then over to Julia.

Julia Trehane (30:11.172)
Well, of course there’s the eating disorder recovery circle, is my baby at the moment. And in there you’ve got courses, you’ve got workshops, you’ve got monthly Q and A, monthly live workshops, monthly coaching calls with opportunities for individual coaching within that. There’s a community, there are…

dozens and dozens of how-to things like how to eat at a buffet, how to choose from a menu, how to navigate social occasions, all that sort of thing. There’s loads of them. And yeah, I’ll put the link in the show notes too. Come join.

Victoria Kleinsman (30:53.87)
Cool. Yeah. Well, thank you, Julie, as always, to connect on here. I love our episodes and thank you to our lovely listeners and we love you very much and we’ll see you next time.

Julia Trehane (30:58.107)
Thank you.

Julia Trehane (31:04.463)
Lots of love. Bye!