Victoria Kleinsman (00:01.704)
Here we go. So Cait I mean, I know who you are. Welcome to the Boy Love Binge. If people don’t know who you are, who are you?

Cait Whytock (00:10.633)
my gosh, that is such a big question. You went in huge. Who am I? Gosh, I would say I’m nobody at all, but I’m also me. It’s a really interesting question. I am pure love, really. That’s what I am. Yeah, pure love and just

Victoria Kleinsman (00:29.12)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (00:34.424)
gratitude and I am

Yeah, I don’t really have a title. I wouldn’t say I have a title of being anything, to be honest. There’s a lot of things that I do and there’s a lot of things that I facilitate, but I wouldn’t say that I am them.

Victoria Kleinsman (00:51.486)
Cool, already getting deep, I love this. So what do you do and why do you do it?

Cait Whytock (00:54.848)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (00:59.402)
Okay, essentially, I guess I help people to realise that they don’t have to live the normal way through self-love and through body acceptance and essentially body love. And I do this through, I guess, just sharing my vulnerabilities and my story and

basically living through it first and talking about it afterwards. So anything that I talk about is things that I’ve experienced and either good or bad. I just basically test everything out for people first and then I can help. So yeah, I love to help people to recognize that there’s a different way of living and that there’s, you know, it doesn’t have to be the norm. And now I’m also doing

business coaching, alongside my life coaching, alongside my self love stuff and just yeah, really being the person that I needed about 10 years ago.

Victoria Kleinsman (02:13.078)
Mm, I love that. That’s how I speak to my audience. I just speak to the past version of me who was in that moment and time in struggling with eating disorder. And I don’t know, you probably don’t know this, but you’ve been such a huge catalyst in my recovery, actually. I think I found you when you first started, which was when did you start? 2020 or 2019 or when was it? 2020, yeah.

Cait Whytock (02:19.726)
Hmm.

Cait Whytock (02:31.619)
wow.

Cait Whytock (02:37.61)
Yeah, 2020.

Victoria Kleinsman (02:41.334)
One of my coaches said to me, you need to go on Instagram and look at people with a similar body shape to you, who look like they’re just living their life and doing their thing. I’m looking at them every day and you still are one of my favorites because you can favorite people on Instagram. And I share a lot of you in my group coaching and actually only two days ago someone was like, oh, Cait’s done this awesome reel. I’m sharing it in the resources section because it’s so helpful. And I was like, I’m going to interview her next week. And they’re so excited.

Cait Whytock (02:48.333)
Hmm.

Cait Whytock (03:03.597)
wow, my gosh, I feel a little bit starstruck for myself. That’s crazy. Thank you. Wow.

Victoria Kleinsman (03:10.25)
sorry.

Victoria Kleinsman (03:18.358)
You’ve been such a huge help because we’ve been brainwashed and conditioned, haven’t we, through society and our upbringing and movies and all the rest of it, it slowly is changing to see thin as the ultimate social capital. You’ll shit rainbows, everyone will love you. Yeah. And that’s not the case.

Cait Whytock (03:35.851)
Yeah.

which is absolutely not. No, we’re so much more than our bodies. And I think that that’s the, this is why I talk about helping people to realise that there’s a different way of living because when you step outside of essentially not having your full capacity on your bloody body or your, your self image or your, what you look like or

Victoria Kleinsman (04:00.224)
you

Cait Whytock (04:05.994)
All that stuff that takes up our entire capacity, you actually open up this whole different realm and this whole other level of like, like I’m capable of so much more than just my body, you know? And I mean, that’s what happened with me. was just like realizing that my body is like, sure, it’s a part of me, but it’s a part of me. You know, it’s not everything and it’s not, especially it’s not the most.

interesting or important thing about me. It’s just something that helps me to get through my day to day, you know, it’s the physical representations.

Victoria Kleinsman (04:41.482)
Yeah, what was the catalyst for you to go from the eating disorder? I know a bit of your background from just you sharing, so you had an eating disorder and you were in a body and obsessed with the gym similar to what I was in. What made you just be like, fuck this? If you did say fuck this, I don’t know, that’s what I did.

Cait Whytock (04:45.76)
Hmm.

Cait Whytock (04:49.337)
Mm. Mm.

Cait Whytock (04:54.773)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (05:00.285)
Yeah, yeah. You know what? wasn’t a fuck this. It was more like a, my gosh, I have been so fixated on what I look like that I haven’t even been present in my actual life. And essentially I was like not paying attention to this beautiful partner that I had or any of the amazing opportunities that I had and

not being grateful for anything really, because I was like, I need to be skinny so I am accepted and that I’m beautiful. And I just realised like how far away from myself I was. I was just like not in my body. I was like living something somewhere else, almost like a different life, if that makes sense. Like I was living in a job that I didn’t like. I was with a partner who was lovely, but really I didn’t even appreciate him at the time. It was more just.

He was just there, you know, he was there supporting me, loving me. And I was like, no, I’m terrible. I’m all these things. And it was just I was awful to him through that, So it wasn’t a fuck you is more just like a wake up call. And I think that was actually through the pandemic and having to stop doing everything that I was doing, like when we actually allow space for ourselves. I think the pandemic was awful for a lot of people. And I totally respect that. And my granny passed away and we couldn’t get to her.

I understand that part, but it was also the biggest gift I’ve ever been granted by whatever did that, where I was actually in my own space for 23 months. And all of these patterns, I speak about paradigms a lot. I follow Bob Proctor. Do you know Bob Proctor?

Victoria Kleinsman (06:31.478)
you

Victoria Kleinsman (06:43.158)
like Grandad Bob, who’s in the other world now.

Cait Whytock (06:46.355)
Yeah. Him. He is an absolute, he is one of my favorite teachers ever. When he talks about paradigms and essentially what happened in that pandemic is I was taken out of my comfort zone, my paradigm, i.e. the gym being skinny, all that kind of stuff. And I was at home and I had to like, everything changed. I couldn’t even go back to the paradigm. I couldn’t even go back to the old programming because I physically couldn’t get to the gym.

So something, something had to change and I did one session of yoga and that session, I cried and cried and cried and I was like, what is this? What is happening here? And I think that was the day that I came back to my body from being so disassociated from it. So yeah, it was more just a wake up for me rather than a fuck you.

Victoria Kleinsman (07:16.715)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (07:33.014)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (07:37.462)
Yeah, what did you do next? Because I assume you were restricting, maybe purging, what was, just share briefly like what type of eating disorder you were in, because that’s primarily my area of expertise. And then what did you do to start your healing journey?

Cait Whytock (07:39.209)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (07:50.677)
Cait Whytock (07:57.631)
To be honest, it was orthoroxia, which is over exercising and under eating. So I was really, really, really like undernourished. I was on a detox diet for five years, which is really, really bad for you. I didn’t eat. yeah, we’re not going to get into it, but it was very, bad for me. So even going to the gym was just not, I wasn’t building muscle. wasn’t, nothing was happening. I wasn’t losing weight. wasn’t putting on weight. Do you know what I mean? It was just like awful. I just hated myself, but

I forgot the question. Can you please rewind me? What was the eating disorder?

Victoria Kleinsman (08:29.78)
Yeah, what did you do? So you had this realization of, my God, I’m not here. And then obviously you started to heal. What was the first thing you started to do on your healing journey? Because I know it’s not linear at all.

Cait Whytock (08:43.376)
No, and honestly, my journey, although I started recognizing that my body, because I also did the Instagram thing where I added people who had a similar body type to me. And that’s what I always speak about. Find people who look a little bit like you, who are loving themselves, living their lives. And also diversify that. So you’ve got people that are bigger and that you’ve got people that are smaller. Because it’s important to see a different color and all of that.

Victoria Kleinsman (08:55.883)
me.

Victoria Kleinsman (09:06.432)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (09:12.586)
But yeah, basically I started meditating and doing yoga. And that honestly, honestly changed everything because I was then present in my body. I wasn’t disassociated from myself. So I could really feel what this felt like. Like I could actually feel my body. Like I knew what, like this is my leg. Cause I never looked at my leg before. Like, you know, I hated it. I never looked at my belly before. I hated it. You know? So it was…

Victoria Kleinsman (09:36.149)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (09:40.911)
really just becoming present with myself.

Victoria Kleinsman (09:45.216)
I love that and then I assume that yoga was somatic work for you. So all the releasing that you’re doing emotionally was because you were dropping from your head into your body and actually probably releasing years of stored trauma that was stored in your cells because you were being present and holding space for them.

Cait Whytock (10:03.792)
Yeah, actually, although somatic, it was very nourishing because all of the things I was doing before was CrossFit. So that was also very somatic, but also that was very traumatic and very stressful on my body. You know, didn’t have my period for five years and I just I kept going and going and pushing and pushing. I can push and push and go and go, but I never stopped. So I basically stopped everything.

I stopped restricting and I ate whatever I wanted, which was really hard. I stopped exercising so much and I just literally chilled, did like 20 minutes of yoga a day. It was the stopping for me. That’s what did it. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah, exactly. The opposite, the opposite of what you are doing is what you need. If that makes sense, like if you write with your left hand.

Victoria Kleinsman (10:48.47)
Yeah, the surrender.

Victoria Kleinsman (10:53.716)
Yeah, because

Victoria Kleinsman (10:59.572)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (11:03.623)
You need to try and write with your right hand. And that’s duality. It’s completely change what you’re doing. So if you’re doing lots of gym and exercise and push, push, push, you just need it to And that’s what will change the paradigm.

Victoria Kleinsman (11:16.47)
Yeah, it sounds like you’ve had almost like an enlightenment moment because so many people come to me and that’s what I coach them through, stopping what they’re doing and then healing and doing all the multi-layered healing work. Of course that’s necessary as well. But a lot of people find it so challenging to just do the opposite of what they’ve been doing. So can you give any advice?

Cait Whytock (11:29.699)
Mm. Mm.

Cait Whytock (11:35.566)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (11:42.186)
with someone who perhaps hasn’t had that enlightened moment or that awareness of like, what am I doing? I’m gonna change this. Because it’s just stopping it and doing something different, but it’s like, is anything underneath the just stopping it? Do see what I’m saying? That you can give advice to someone.

Cait Whytock (11:57.496)
Yeah. You literally will not have a quick fix if you want it to be sustainable. And I’m like, I’m just going to be blunt about it. There is the exercise again, Bob Proctor, but he does with the left hand, the right hand. So anyone that’s listening now, if they get a pen,

and they put the pen in their strong hand and just draw a line down the page. And at the top of the page on the side that you are strong with, so if it’s your right side, write your name down. So C-A-I-T, I’d write down. And then you’re going to change over the pen to your other hand and you’re going to write C-A-I-T on the opposite side. And that’s going to be really hard. Okay. And it’s uncomfortable and it looks really

like squiggly, like almost like a child’s written it. And then try it again. And then try it again. And then try it for 30 days and then try it for 90 days. And after 90 days, you’re going to have some improvements. You know, that hand is going to have that memory. And I think so often we think that it’s going to be such a quick fix, you know, like, I’ll just, I’ll go with the coach and it’ll be like a really quick fix and we’ll do it in like three weeks and

It’s actually just recognizing what you want to achieve and really just sticking to it. That’s what I have done and that is what works for me. And that is what works, unfortunately. And I’m sorry that it’s a harsh truth, but it’s literally, what is your why? Why are you here? What do you want to do? What do you want to achieve or what do you want to resolve or overcome? And just actually giving it your best crack.

That’s the only piece of advice I could give on that.

Victoria Kleinsman (13:45.728)
Yes.

Victoria Kleinsman (13:49.15)
And be willing to be uncomfortable because like you described, it is going to be uncomfortable.

Cait Whytock (13:56.315)
yeah, for sure. It’s going to be uncomfortable. And also there’s going to be so many times that you’re going to want to quit and that you’re going to want to, cause you’re not seeing the quick results. We’re just used to this life of like Amazon. I order Amazon in the UK. think you guys, sorry, you’re not there, but in the UK you can literally order same day delivery. What the hell is that? You know? Yeah. Like, and I think our whole lives have been geared up to this, like instant gratification and we’ve forgotten that time does exist. So if it’s.

Victoria Kleinsman (14:13.546)
What the fuck?

Cait Whytock (14:25.265)
taken five years for you to have all of these habits which are potentially not good for you. I’m just using five years as an example. It’s going to take time for those habits to become unlearned and then relearn some good habits. So it’s just a time, it’s a time thing. like, if you can stick with it, that’s the best gift that you can give yourself.

Victoria Kleinsman (14:44.426)
Yes.

Victoria Kleinsman (14:54.774)
Repetition, consistency, be willing to be uncomfortable and doing the deeper work because I find it easier to change the behavioural stuff when I’m getting to the root of why the fuck do I want to be thin for my entire life? Like what’s going on there? So you mentioned something quite blase but I think it’s worth speaking to when you were saying I needed to be thin in order to be loved and accepted.

Cait Whytock (15:06.234)
Mm.

Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (15:21.642)
and then you moved on, but that’s the thing, isn’t it? Like so many, not everyone I work with, a lot of it’s to do with safety and control as well, depending on their upbringing, but was being thin for you linked to you feeling worthy, accepted, and loved?

Cait Whytock (15:27.142)
That was a story. That was a belief that I had. So yes, it was linked to it. And unfortunately, I do think that that is a story and a belief that a lot of us are taught. I guess the thing is, is asking yourself like,

Is this actually my belief? Is this actually my story? Is this actually my truth? You know, do I look at my friends and only accept them because they’re skinny? And if you do, then sure, maybe that is your truth. But I’m gonna probably say that you don’t. You don’t accept people because of the way that they look. And if, you know, you do you because you live your life, however you want to live it. But I certainly don’t. I don’t look at a person who I’ve just met and think, hmm.

you’re not going to my friend because you look like this. So that then isn’t my truth, right? That’s just the belief that I have in my head of something that’s been told to me. You my partner is 10 years younger than me and that getting into a relationship with him was so difficult for me because I was like, oh, he’s 21, he’s 21, you know, I can’t do this. And then I was like, hold on a second. If any of my friends told me this, would I be like, oh, that’s terrible. You shouldn’t do that. And I was like, no, I was like, ah.

That’s not my truth then. So that’s a story and a belief that is no longer mine. So I basically rejected that.

Victoria Kleinsman (16:52.342)
Mmm.

Victoria Kleinsman (16:59.21)
and created a new one. So that leads me onto the juice of what I wanna ask you about, which so many people are gonna be asking me to ask you about. How did you navigate the weight gain when it came? And what did that mean to you? Because I’m sure it wasn’t just, okay, cool, I’ve gained weight, no worries, I love myself now.

Cait Whytock (17:12.013)
Mmm. Mmm.

Cait Whytock (17:18.308)
Yeah, so that is the hardest. Sorry, I hope you can’t hear that loud thing banging behind me. Okay.

Victoria Kleinsman (17:26.294)
can hear it but it’s not loud. It’s just part of your barley bath. Before you answer this, just show them, pressed, I didn’t press record, before I pressed record I said, I saw Cait sipping and I was like, are you totally like sipping from a coconut right now? And she is. So do you just want to show us like what I’m right now?

Cait Whytock (17:42.693)
Yeah, yeah. So this is my little coconut and my view of the beach. Yeah, yeah. I just figured I’d rather sit here than inside in my bikini with my belly out.

Victoria Kleinsman (17:53.462)
where you live, where you where where where you live, where where

Cait Whytock (17:58.155)
Yeah, yeah, but that question I’ve completely forgotten so you’re have to repeat it for me.

Victoria Kleinsman (18:03.614)
Of course, I was distracting you with Thailand and beach, distracting us because I’m sat in my office. The sun’s not out, but it’s okay. How did you navigate the weight gain when it came? Because of course, to change your beliefs, it does take a bit of time and your nervous system freaks the fuck out before it gets on board with what your brain’s doing habitually.

Cait Whytock (18:13.572)
Okay.

Cait Whytock (18:17.284)
That’s it.

Cait Whytock (18:26.053)
Yeah, now that is a really good question because, and I actually spoke about this in my story today where we think and something that was so fascinating to me as I put a poll up and the question was basically like, do you think that you have to fix your body before you can love it? Yes, no, or I’m working on it. And a lot of people, majority have said, yes, I have to fix my body before I can love it. And

what I’ve discovered is that is just absolutely not the truth at all. Because if I sat here waiting to fix my body before I loved it, I wouldn’t be in this beautiful place in Thailand in a bikini. I’d be sitting here, you know, with my scarf over my stomach and and really just trying to hide myself and not being able to walk on the beach, which means then you’re not present in your life and you’re missing out on all this stuff. Right. So it’s almost like you have to.

Victoria Kleinsman (18:56.736)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (19:22.614)
It’s that surrender, isn’t it? It’s that surrender to not doing not. Yeah, just the surrender to whatever is there. So.

I did struggle because I used to, you know, I used to get a lot of attention, right, from being the weight that I was before. And what was so nice about putting on weight actually is that it made me realise that I was searching for external validation through everything in my life, really. So was, you know, getting attention from men and from women, you know, how are you, how are you so skinny and how do you keep that body and

wanting all these tips and tricks and all this stuff. like that was sort of external. So it went into like a really deep level, you know, it wasn’t, it wasn’t that I just put weight on, I put weight on, and then I stopped getting external validation because, know, in a bigger body and I’m just going to be blunt again.

the attention is not really there so much. It’s really difficult. And if you are in a bigger body right now, like the inner work that you’re going through and the journey that you’re going through is a huge journey of respecting yourself and not seeking that external validation. So, yeah, it was very difficult to accept it and to do that.

Essentially, I had to just surrender. had to just be like, okay, well, this is where we’re at. Like, I had to look at the reality of where I am right now and be like, okay, well, that’s just what we’re dealing with. And I cannot fight it anymore. I don’t want to fight it. I’m too tired of fighting it. It’s exhausting. It’s making me not present. And, you know, now I’m not present from being in this size. Yeah. Then you just have the capacity taken up by that. Is that making sense?

Victoria Kleinsman (21:15.734)
Yeah, that’s a very scary experience to me actually. was step one for me was giving up fighting reality and being like in the mirror.

and practising being okay with looking, even though I didn’t like it, just being okay with looking. And then I would do some body love practises, which felt fake, but I would do them anyway. And then I would act as if I was confident when I wasn’t. But then before you know it, if you keep doing the inner work and being present and reading Bob Proctor, also, Tangent, have you heard of Neil Donald Walsh? You’re love him, he’s got an epic book.

Cait Whytock (21:36.866)
No, I haven’t. Neil, okay. Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (21:54.986)
That’s called, my tool’s a bit weird, I’m not religious in any way, but it’s called Conversations with God by Neil Donald. Yes, yeah.

Cait Whytock (22:01.545)
I actually know that book. I the book. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I believe in I believe in God, but God is to me, the universe. It’s so much more than what, again, society has made us feel like God is. It’s not God is not a bad thing. God is faith. God is you. You are God. Everything is God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But something that I did that you just mentioned.

Victoria Kleinsman (22:21.204)
Yeah, with you on that 100%.

Cait Whytock (22:29.25)
was I started taking photos of myself and I didn’t really, I shared mine, but something especially if people don’t feel, if anyone listening doesn’t feel comfortable ever sharing the photos, take photos of yourself at many different angles, this angle, this angle, you know, from the side, see the belly, like, and…

Victoria Kleinsman (22:32.202)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (22:49.283)
when you start taking instead of because sometimes looking in the mirror is a little bit confronting taking a photo and having on your phone and maybe not doing it straight down in there but maybe a little bit later or something like that or looking at it and then putting it down and coming back to it. I just found that was a lot better for me taking those photos.

Victoria Kleinsman (23:07.222)
That’s a really good idea actually. So you were purposely doing photo work from all different angles because I did that in the mirror.

Cait Whytock (23:12.994)
Mm-hmm.

Victoria Kleinsman (23:15.058)
we used to do, I say we used to, because I’m sure we don’t do this anymore, when we were in the eating disorder, we would go to a mirror and we would stand a certain way and have a certain angle and look at ourselves a certain way. But then if you were, let’s say, walking past a shop window and you looked at your reflection and you were like, what the fuck do I look like that? Then it would ruin your entire day. I purposely would then get undressed and dress in front of the mirror, but purposely not pose. So I would see myself, like you’re saying,

Cait Whytock (23:22.476)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (23:29.032)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (23:34.966)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (23:42.112)
Mm-hmm.

Victoria Kleinsman (23:43.488)
do and did with photos from different angles where I wasn’t quote unquote ready and I’d have a judgement about it but I’d practice just being like well that’s what I look like.

Cait Whytock (23:46.562)
Yeah, and again a lot easier than said than done but you just have to it’s almost like you just have to do it you just have to give it a go give it a crack and see like what’s the worst that could happen nothing’s you know nothing’s gonna change if nothing changes

Victoria Kleinsman (23:58.166)
Hmm.

Victoria Kleinsman (24:07.05)
Yeah, and when you were looking at these photos that you were taking when you were at the start of your journey, I’m sure you had like judgments and feelings about them. What did you do when the maybe feelings of shame or disgust, if I’m speaking about past experience, what did you do with them?

Cait Whytock (24:27.797)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (24:33.69)
I actually, honestly meditated, meditated and I allowed those feelings to be there and eventually further on in my journey, I danced them out. So it was very, yeah, it was very, very somatic. I kind of did a lot of breath work. Breath work opens up the stomach and essentially you can, I don’t know if you’ve ever done breath work before.

Victoria Kleinsman (24:45.119)
Mm.

Victoria Kleinsman (25:00.714)
Yeah, it actually used to trigger me a lot doing breath work. It used to make me more anxious. I was trying to control the breath then.

Cait Whytock (25:03.904)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the breath work is opening up the channels where the emotions are stuck and the blockages are. That’s why I’m a breathwork facilitator now, because it helped me on my journey so much. And it actually, again, I stopped fighting it and allowed the breath to come and go. And that’s when everything was just, I let those emotions out because we just suppress things. like anxiety down it goes, fear, well, fear is anxiety.

down it goes, that car that’s just pulled out in front of me, down it goes, we don’t express it. So it’s almost just expressing the emotions, like screaming to your pillow, know, semantically get rid of those emotions. So for me, I remember it was a lot of movement. was a lot of calm movement because I was doing such before I was doing it again, the opposite. I was doing such aggressive movement towards myself. So when I saw those photos, I would move really beautifully. I’d maybe like touch that part of my body and just like give it love or

I’m just trying to think of something tangible that would be helpful, but realistically it was just allowing that to be there and just working through it, through breath, through yoga, through meditation.

Victoria Kleinsman (26:21.632)
Yeah, I think that the less tangible things are the deeper healing we experience because it’s like surrender. I actually have just released a podcast yesterday titled How the Fuck to Actually Surrender because it’s a key part of being present in life, but it’s not very tangible because it’s a state of being. It’s just letting go. So it’s hard to describe, isn’t it? But what you’re saying or

Cait Whytock (26:29.535)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (26:37.194)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (26:44.002)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (26:50.16)
I’m you say is the emotions that were present, instead of suppressing them again, you made space for them, you felt them, you allowed them, and then you moved with them to naturally let them go, and then that’s actually healing.

Cait Whytock (27:03.238)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is, mean, what I do here in Thailand and what I came to is something that I would never have expected myself to do or come to, where it was a tantric school. again, tantra in there’s a lot of neo tantra, which is just sex. But this is a tantric school, so tantric breath work, it’s yoga, it’s everything. And I danced and I cried.

and I screamed and I got really, really angry and I got really, really happy. And I basically went through all of the suppressed emotions that I had been through without holding them back. And now everything’s just very chill and peaceful. You know, I don’t really get very angry. I don’t really get very sad. I don’t really get very happy. It’s just, everything’s just like a lovely, peaceful level of goodness.

Victoria Kleinsman (27:39.35)
you

Cait Whytock (28:00.99)
you know, and sometimes not goodness, but it’s just, it’s a peaceful level. yeah. So it’s, it’s almost like, don’t hold it back. If you feel like you want to cry because you are hating your body cry. If you see that photo and you think, this is so awful. How have I let myself get to this? Get angry, get mad, hit the pillows, scream, you know, let the emotion out. And then it goes away.

Victoria Kleinsman (28:04.864)
Yes.

Victoria Kleinsman (28:24.416)
Yes.

Victoria Kleinsman (28:28.596)
Yes, and then you have space to be present and enjoy all you have in this moment right now and the life you have in this moment right now and that’s when life happens now.

Cait Whytock (28:37.12)
Mm.

Yeah. Yeah. And when honestly, when you when you let go of everything that you thought that was supposed to be, that’s when what actually is supposed to be comes to you. Yeah, you know.

Victoria Kleinsman (28:53.814)
I want you to repeat that. That’s like a, that’s a quote card right there.

Cait Whytock (29:00.703)
Oh no, I don’t know if I can repeat that. I just speak from what’s here. You’re going to have to just replay it because I can’t really remember.

Victoria Kleinsman (29:10.26)
I can repeat it because I received that. I’m hoping I’m repeating it correctly. I think you said, when you let go of how you think things should be, that’s, my God, I can’t even do it. That’s when things happen in the way they should be.

Cait Whytock (29:13.352)
Okay.

Cait Whytock (29:25.041)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (29:29.745)
Yes, because you don’t have, there’s no control over it. for so long, especially with eating disorders and all that kind of stuff, essentially we’re trying to control something. And when you let go of that control, that’s when what is meant to be will come. And, you know, I’m not going to get too much into this now, but it’s, it’s a big trigger. So I won’t get into it. But essentially once I started to accept my body, I went on this

Mm.

Cait Whytock (30:03.518)
How do I explain this? I had a repressed childhood memory come back up through an experience. had a repressed childhood memory come up, which made complete and utter sense to me as to why I had the eating disorder, why I wanted external validation from men, all of these things. And it was like, oh my gosh, for 30 years.

I didn’t even know this existed because my subconscious had been keeping it because I wasn’t ready to receive it. But because I let go of everything and I was so happy at this point, because I let go of everything, my subconscious was like, okay, she’s ready to find out what actually happened so that she can heal that because that is the issue, not the body. The body is not the issue. It’s that. So that is when I went on to a very, very deep healing journey of basically

loving my inner child and that little me that was very, very, very hurt for a number of years of her life. So yeah, was a big journey. then now that that’s, mean, everything makes sense. Everything, all of it, the control, you know? And yes, my trauma was a very big trauma, but some traumas can be really small. Like maybe your parent didn’t, everything always goes back to childhood.

Maybe your parent didn’t give you the attention that you wanted. So then you started compensating in a way. And what I’ve learned is food is my compensation because it gives me the happy, you know, food was always very praise and my family and I turned to it and I learned this the other day, actually. I actually just recently started with a coach, which I highly recommend. think it’s one of the best things that you can do, especially if you’re on a self-love journey and eating disorders.

I couldn’t do it by myself. And she has been teaching me all about bringing awareness to what food I’m eating, right? And the other day, I was super, super sad. I was like hormones were all over the shop and, know, us women have that, you know, it just happens. And hormones were all over the shop. was super, super sad.

Cait Whytock (32:21.989)
And what happened was I realised I was trying to turn to food. was trying to, I was trying to find biscuits. I was trying to find all these things. And when I had the awareness that that was not even from like the even sort of the control, whatever, what it was from is my little, my little me being like, I need happiness. need happiness now. I need, can I have happiness? And that is, yeah, essentially what happened there. So it’s, it’s sometimes there’s a little bit of a deeper meaning behind why we have these things. And it’s almost just being really kind to yourself because

the eating disorders, all that kind of stuff, there is a deeper meaning. And if you’re willing to go a little bit deeper, that’s why I recommend breath work or just working with a coach, therapy, all that kind of stuff. You can go deeper into those wounds if you’re ready.

Victoria Kleinsman (33:09.172)
Yeah, yeah. Thank you for sharing that, Cait.

Cait Whytock (33:14.779)
No worries.

Victoria Kleinsman (33:16.182)
because you’re right, I say, because I do bring humour into healing when it makes sense.

Cait Whytock (33:23.301)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (33:23.814)
I say that there is always a reason why an eating disorder is developed. It’s not developed just to piss you off. It’s not even developed just so you can stay thin because there’s always a reason why you want to be thin. And yeah, to be loved and accepted by society, but there’s always a deeper reason from that that is always linked.

Cait Whytock (33:44.792)
Yeah. Always.

Victoria Kleinsman (33:46.752)
to childhood and the amazing Gabor Mate says two things about trauma which I love. He says first and foremost, trauma is two things. It’s something that happened to a child that should never have happened and it’s what didn’t happen to a child that should have happened emotionally. And that’s the first thing he says. The second thing he says is trauma isn’t what happens to you.

Cait Whytock (34:01.892)
Yeah. Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (34:15.826)
or to somebody, it’s what happens inside of you when something happens or doesn’t happen to you.

Cait Whytock (34:16.154)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (34:22.395)
Yeah, I love that. Mm-hmm. That’s for sure.

Victoria Kleinsman (34:24.574)
Yeah, and that’s, and I do a lot of inner child work with my clients because it’s all about healing the inner child within, as you’re changing your behaviors, as you’re having the attitude of confidence and being your higher self. It’s all of it combined.

Cait Whytock (34:41.39)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I honestly, I do a lot of teachings here in Thailand with some of my favorite teachers and I sit in on them a lot. And one thing that he was talking about, his name is Ishi, he’s our Zen master here. And the one thing that he was talking about was when you’re a child and something bad happens, something traumatic like mom doesn’t give me attention or dad’s angry or whatever it is.

we don’t have the coping mechanisms that we do as an adult. So we can’t, you know, you can’t take drugs, you can’t drink, you can’t run away. You can’t go buy yourself biscuits. Like you’re literally, you have to find different ways of coping. And often that’s through control of the mind. The mind is like, the mind says to you, don’t worry, you’re right. You’re right. You’re that person’s wrong. You’re right. And then

And then we become so fixated on this control. we’re like, okay, society will, will link into like, society says that being skinny is good. And then your mind will basically be like, you’re right. Skinny is being good. And then it will look for all the reasons behind that. And then it will start moving towards being skinny because that’s what you believe. And you’re not wrong. You’re not wrong. You know, so this, this eating disorder, this thing that you are within, you’re not wrong.

Victoria Kleinsman (35:40.683)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (36:06.966)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (36:07.1)
And yeah, and either way, there’s another quote which I can’t really remember right now, it’s positive or negative. What is it? It’s like positive or negative. Either answer is correct because like you can find evidence for both. So.

Victoria Kleinsman (36:24.214)
Yeah, what you search for you will find.

Cait Whytock (36:27.385)
Yeah, so being skinny, if you believe that that is the be all and end all, then that’s all you’re going to find. But if you believe that loving yourself is more important, then you’re going to find a lot of evidence behind that as well. So it’s just about shifting the perspective, I think.

Victoria Kleinsman (36:34.336)
Mm-hmm.

Victoria Kleinsman (36:44.746)
Definitely, I always say we attract what we believe about ourselves. And so therefore the work is to change our beliefs of course, but in order to change our beliefs, in my opinion, we need to first of all let go of the beliefs that aren’t serving us and then create evidence so your brain can be like, okay, I can believe this because now you have evidence that you’re not gonna die.

Cait Whytock (36:50.159)
Mm-hmm.

Cait Whytock (37:01.115)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (37:11.309)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (37:11.316)
by doing this new thing and being this new person. And this actually links to a story you, a real you posted the other day, which is what someone reposted in my group coaching. You were walking along the beach and people were having breakfast and you were having just a day where you were like, meh, about how you’re feeling your body. And you were talking about, I don’t know if you use this exact phrase, but acting as if you were confident and then acting that way and therefore you were.

Cait Whytock (37:15.674)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (37:27.707)
Mmm.

Cait Whytock (37:36.379)
Mm.

Victoria Kleinsman (37:36.68)
Was that a big part of your journey of like being accepting in the body you have?

Cait Whytock (37:43.813)
For sure.

fake it till you make it, don’t like, but fake it till you believe it. I prefer. So yeah, because the thing is I’m just listening and I’m thinking now like it’s, you know, we talk about just let go, just surrender, just do all these things. And people are like, but how do I just let go and how do I surrender? And unfortunately, the answer is you just have to do it. Like that is the only thing is just give it a go. Um, so

Victoria Kleinsman (37:53.502)
Mmm. Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (38:07.86)
in

Victoria Kleinsman (38:12.555)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (38:17.145)
That’s the same with the walking in a bikini. Just give it a go, you know, what’s the worst that could happen? Really? What’s the worst that could happen if you just got your stomach out? Someone says something, you know, or you see it in America. I don’t know. What’s the worst that could happen? Literally nothing really. So you just have to do it. I think the exposure therapy has been one of my favourite things ever. You know, I’ve just started my my own business and

Victoria Kleinsman (38:37.269)
Yes.

Cait Whytock (38:46.041)
I have no idea like what I’m doing. I mean, I have all these learnings and experiences in my life and I can help people for sure. But I don’t know how to like do businessy things, but I just had to do it. I had to do it before I was ready. Cause you know, there’s no point in waiting. you know, I’ll wait until I’ve lost five pounds and then, and then I’ll wear the bikini. That’s just not like your thoughts are thinking.

Victoria Kleinsman (39:00.128)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (39:16.098)
I have to wait, I have to wait, I have to wait. You kind of just have to do it, don’t you?

Victoria Kleinsman (39:20.788)
Yeah, you know, I love Nike, their slogan is just do it. I would just fucking do it, because I, from personal experience, what I’ve noticed is the more I’m in my head, the more I’m like, shall I do it, shall I not do it? Yeah, but if I do it, then all the, I’m just like, you know what, enough, I’m just gonna fucking do it, and then I’ll have a conversation with myself afterwards.

Cait Whytock (39:24.314)
Just do it. It’s so cheesy, but it’s the actual truth.

Cait Whytock (39:32.655)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (39:47.756)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that is where somatics comes in, actually, because it takes you, especially dancing, it takes you out of your head into your body. So you actually can’t really, you can’t think of anything or like any kind of movement that takes you away from your head and into your body. So it’s the presence of being with yourself. It’s not just associating, it’s being in your body, which is why breathwork, why yoga, why

why all these things are so important.

Victoria Kleinsman (40:20.5)
Yes, it’s like what you described before when you started your healing journey, you started doing breath work and yoga. And it was almost like the first time since that traumatic thing happened to you for those years, you were like in your body again. Because what happens is when we’re children, like you say, the Zen teacher was sharing, when we’re children, when we go into a fight, flight or freeze response, the most thing we want to do first is fight back.

Cait Whytock (40:34.843)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (40:49.238)
Can you fight back? No, you’ll get hurt if you’re not okay. Then the next thing is run away, flight. Can you run away? No. And then the only thing left to do then is freeze. And in order for your nervous system to protect you, you disassociate from your body because it’s just so overwhelming. But then because it

Cait Whytock (40:52.192)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (40:59.233)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (41:04.861)
Yeah. Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (41:08.838)
unconsciously disassociating, it’s not like a year down the line or when the trauma is over physically, it’s not like you can be like, okay, I’ll just like come back into my body again now, because it happened unconsciously in order to protect you, we then live until we do the work that you and I have done, we live disassociated, live in our heads.

Cait Whytock (41:20.525)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Victoria Kleinsman (41:31.338)
and then wonder why we’re not happy, present, have disorders, have coping mechanisms that harm us. So we need to come back into the body, but we need to feel safe to come back into the body.

Cait Whytock (41:42.222)
Yeah, and that again is the semantics thing. you have a really good example of this, let’s take an, do you guys call them antelope? Is that the right name?

Victoria Kleinsman (41:51.619)
yeah, the deer type thing is with the horny things. I’m okay.

Cait Whytock (41:54.561)
Yeah, a deer. We call it a buck, but a deer, a spring buck, let’s say. All right. It’s getting chased by a lion. Okay. And that’s number one is flight. So it’s being chased by the lion. Okay. And because it can’t fight. We both know that. So it flight takes it runs away. And what you will often see is just before.

Victoria Kleinsman (42:02.262)
Yep.

Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (42:17.419)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (42:23.926)
the lion, so the lion will maybe knock it over or something. And unfortunately for that spring bark, what will either happen is one, will keep going with flight and it will get up and start running or it will freeze. And that’s when the lion will kill it. But let’s say that it gets knocked over by the lion. I don’t know if you guys have this picture in your head because I guess, because I mean, I watch a lot of National Geographic, but literally.

Victoria Kleinsman (42:35.68)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (42:47.498)
it’s been knocked over by the lion, it gets back up and it runs away. And then the lion obviously can’t go and get it because it’s this. Yeah. Anyway, it’s got away. What will happen with the springbok or pretty much any animal is that it’ll like its body will like twitch. It’ll shake and twitch and twitch and twitch. And what that is, is that is like shaking off the freeze, bringing itself back in. And that’s what a lot of us don’t do with our bodies is like actually moving it, which is why somatics is so important because you’re kind of bringing or dancing, dancing.

Go and dance or put music on and dance. That’s the only thing I would say, because it’s just such an easy thing to do, you know? Yeah, ecstatic dance, which is really cool as well, which is sober dancing, because that really then you’re not putting substances in your body and you’re able to be consciously moving the emotions through. But essentially, yeah, it’s those animals have instinct and that’s why they they shake it off. They literally shake it off. Taylor Swift, put it on. Shake it off. You’re feeling really.

Victoria Kleinsman (43:23.84)
Yeah, dance it out.

Victoria Kleinsman (43:44.651)
Yes.

Cait Whytock (43:45.792)
you know, you feel super sad about that photo that you just saw, put Taylor Swift on, shake it off. I’m telling you now you’ll get rid of that emotion before it even decides to manifest in your body.

Victoria Kleinsman (43:54.486)
Yeah, and also Let It Go by Frozen. That was one of my favourites. let it go. It’s like the whole like heart opening, like open your heart, just let it fucking go. And then you’re like, I feel so much better now.

Cait Whytock (43:58.73)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Screaming, shouting, dancing. Yeah, it’s all somatics. It’s all moving your body. It’s all. And if you have a house by yourself, just go do it like no one. No one’s going to see you. It’s actually really fun. I mean, I do it public now. I don’t really care, but you know.

Victoria Kleinsman (44:25.194)
Thank

Do it naked for more exposure therapy.

Cait Whytock (44:31.211)
my gosh, so fun in front of a mirror. Are we literally… Fun.

Victoria Kleinsman (44:36.118)
I used to do that. One thing that I did, which reminded me when you shared about you used to take photos of yourself, when I was ready, because like you so wisely said, it will only come up when it’s ready to be healed. So I’m not talking about the deep work here, but when I was ready, I would video myself doing a workout, with nothing more than a sports board, look after my babies. And then I would watch it back and I’ll be like, holy fuck.

Cait Whytock (44:42.775)
Hmm.

Cait Whytock (44:48.118)
Mm-mm.

Cait Whytock (44:52.673)
Mm. Yeah, perfect.

Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (45:01.974)
look at the cellulite, look, and I would notice all the judgements, but I would separate myself from just the judgment mind doing the judgment mind thing. And I would just use it as exposure therapy to be like, it’s fine, like it doesn’t mean anything about me just because I look like that from behind when I’m jumping up and down doing jump squats with cellulite all over the place. It’s only a problem if I’m making it a problem.

Cait Whytock (45:26.058)
Yeah, and may I say something as well? The thing that I find the most interesting when we see photos of ourselves or when we take a video like that, for example, you’re not even

Victoria Kleinsman (45:28.661)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (45:38.615)
accrediting what you’re doing. Like you are doing a workout. How cool is that? Your body is literally doing jump squats and you’re looking at your cellulite or you’re in the water with your like child and someone takes a photo and you completely forget about that memory or that moment with the child and you think, my stomach looks like this. I think we need to like something that I really, really do is

Victoria Kleinsman (45:47.093)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (46:01.046)
Mm.

Cait Whytock (46:06.29)
I will focus rather than on my body, I’ll focus on what I was doing. what I was like, for example, when I go swimming at the beach or yeah, go swimming at the beach and someone takes a photo of me. I’m like, wow, I am so strong. I go in that water and I swim. That’s so cool. And then those thoughts of, my gosh, my body don’t even really come.

Victoria Kleinsman (46:30.304)
Yeah. Thank you for sharing that because we are where our attention is.

Cait Whytock (46:36.918)
Exactly. It’s a frequency. I’m not going to get too much into that because, you know, it’s a whole different.

Victoria Kleinsman (46:39.84)
Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (46:43.84)
I’m totally in with that and most of my audience are but feel free to share as little or as much. It is because we attract what we are. So if we have a vibration of, let’s just use numbers of eight, we’re going to attract eight back to us.

Cait Whytock (46:50.591)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (46:57.022)
For sure, that’s it for sure. what I, I’m just on a phone call. Okay. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. He says you’re talking on the phone for so long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I they man like chill. That’s so funny. Um, yeah, anyway, I forgot what we were talking about now. So sorry. Apologies about that. Um,

Victoria Kleinsman (47:09.042)
Is it trying to sell you a coconut? really?

Victoria Kleinsman (47:17.174)
Victoria Kleinsman (47:24.884)
That’s all right, I’m just thinking what the fuck was we just talking about? LOL. I don’t even know. frequency!

Cait Whytock (47:29.417)
Frequencies. Frequencies. That’s it. Yeah. I wonder what frequency. But when you get into like the love frequency, because a lot of time we sit in this like negative side frequency. And I think the more you think about the negative side things in your body or whatever, the worse it becomes. And.

Victoria Kleinsman (47:49.206)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (47:52.187)
If you start to think of all the good things, because we literally go into this negative spin and then everything is more negative, right? I woke up, I hit my toe on the bed and then you’re like, and then I dropped my coffee and then this happened. Yeah, because you’re in negative frequency. Yeah, if you wake up in the morning and say, I look awful today, then you’re just going to find all these negative things about yourself. But if you wake up and even if you’re not really feeling it.

Victoria Kleinsman (48:09.302)
You’re attracting it to yourself.

Cait Whytock (48:21.111)
my gosh, my body is amazing because it’s literally woken up. How great is that? I have another day on this planet. Then you’re kind of getting yourself into a positive frequency. I’d say morning is like the most important time to get into that frequency as well.

Victoria Kleinsman (48:34.57)
Yeah, that is such great advice. Such great advice because going back to what we said earlier, what we look for we will find and we attract what we believe about ourselves. So we have to purposefully focus on positives and uplifting things in order to receive and experience that in our lives. Yeah. So wrapping up Cait, I have two questions for you.

Cait Whytock (48:35.839)
So.

Cait Whytock (48:43.987)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (48:54.045)
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.

Victoria Kleinsman (49:02.164)
The first one is anything you want to say that I’ve not asked you. And the second one is what do you do and how can you help people and how can they come into your world and all that stuff.

Cait Whytock (49:12.473)
wow, okay.

Is there anything you haven’t asked me? No, I think it’s been a really lovely chat and I’m just very excited to be on this journey now where I’m stepping back into the gym with the help of coach and allowing like the expertise of somebody else to help me. I think that’s such an important thing is to allow help. Even if you’re like me and you’ve done all this work on yourself, I still need help. I still need accountability. I still need someone to say,

You know, this is you’re doing so well in this or whatever. Doesn’t matter how far along the journey you’re in or not in. think it’s so important. Help is always, always gratefully received. So that’s that’s the first thing. Second thing quickly, I just wanted to say how grateful I am for you. It’s been so lovely to chat to you and it’s so wonderful to see what you’re doing and how many people you’re helping. And yeah, just thank you so much for.

Victoria Kleinsman (49:55.188)
Yes.

Cait Whytock (50:15.101)
everything that you do because healing is so powerful. You heal yourself and you heal everyone around you. So thank you. Yeah. Yeah, no, I’m grateful for you. And then the next thing for me. So what was it? What do I do? Where can people find me? So I’m on Instagram.

Victoria Kleinsman (50:21.75)
Thank you.

Victoria Kleinsman (50:34.39)
Yeah, so people want to… Because you’re doing, I assume, I don’t want to say obviously, I assume you coach women around body image and self-love, do you?

Cait Whytock (50:45.305)
so my, actually am about to run a, workshop next week, which is the three pillars of self love, because essentially I found out that self love has these three pillars, which are body, life, and legacy. And the thing that was missing for me, I mean, body, I’m like in love with my body. She’s so wonderful. She’s amazing. my life.

Once I realised I didn’t want to work in the system and I couldn’t because of this beautiful female body living in a masculine world is just not for me. I sort out and I talked to you earlier about I go through everything first. I test everything for everybody else first. I went on this huge journey to discover how to live a free life. And that was kind of like hopping around different jobs and you know, all that kind of stuff.

Victoria Kleinsman (51:25.749)
Yes.

Cait Whytock (51:37.905)
And then I found an opportunity. And I think in this world, there are so many different vehicles in which to choose. You can choose a scooter, you can choose a Tesla, you can choose a Land Rover to get you from A to B. I have chosen a vehicle which is very tangible and really has allowed my abundance to come in and my legacy to start building because bank account is a huge part of self-love.

And I think it’s something that a lot of us don’t allow into our lives. money, we shouldn’t talk about money and we shouldn’t. Money is a frequency, is an energy. And essentially this is what I’m teaching now is how to love your body, how to love your life and how to build a legacy. I have a vehicle which I use and that is what I will share with people. And essentially it’s not, some people want it, some people don’t want it. So fine, it’s just a vehicle, but it’s what I do. And I live through experience.

and it’s my experience and that’s all I can talk about. Because I did my whole life coaching and breath aid facilitator, but I didn’t feel like I had something tangible for people at the end. Like, sure, I can teach you how to love your body and I can teach you how to move country and I can teach you all these things, but is there something tangible there? And I found that tangible thing and now that’s what I’m sharing. So, yeah, I’m not sure when this is going to be live, but I have

Victoria Kleinsman (53:00.04)
So exciting.

Cait Whytock (53:04.593)
I have got a workshop that will be going live next week and then I’ll have a replay available for it as well.

Victoria Kleinsman (53:12.278)
Well, I’ll get it out as soon as possible. Maybe I can get it out for next week. So hopefully when people are listening to this, they can quickly head over to your page, which obviously I’ll link everything below and sign up. Can they do it for you in bio? Is that where to go?

Cait Whytock (53:14.835)
Hmm.

Cait Whytock (53:23.207)
Yeah.

Yeah, it’s through my Instagram bio or just send me a DM and I will get back to you and I’ll send the replay or if it’s in time, then we can they can watch it as well. But yeah, essentially, I just think self love is the most amazing, amazing. And I say self love and a lot of people say, you know, you need to accept you need to accept first. And I’m like, I get that. But let’s just call it love, because that’s what we are. We’re love. You know, let’s just call it love. Acceptance is love. That’s what it is. So if you’re accepting yourself or you’re not ready, his journey.

Victoria Kleinsman (53:49.194)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cait Whytock (53:56.509)
You’re loving yourself. Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (53:57.682)
It’s love because love in my opinion is love is without judgment

Cait Whytock (54:03.602)
Which is acceptance. Yeah.

Victoria Kleinsman (54:06.912)
which is acceptance, exactly that. And so last question, because I’m curious, do you then work with people one to one?

Cait Whytock (54:13.814)
Yeah, there’ll be a mentorship that I’ll be doing. Yeah. Yeah. So it’ll be like, it’ll be like a container with, because I think it’s really nice for peers to have, or people, sorry, peers, what was that word, to have each other, because they’re all going through the same thing. And then also I will be mentoring. Yeah, I think I think I’m going to open up to 10 people. So, and that will be through September time.

Victoria Kleinsman (54:16.692)
Yeah. Okay, cool. Thought so.

Victoria Kleinsman (54:30.239)
Yes.

Victoria Kleinsman (54:43.422)
Yeah, cool. I’ll link everything below here at ASAP. So when I say goodbye, I know this is on air, people know I don’t edit things. Don’t disappear, because I think you have to wait 30 seconds for something to download or something. So I’ll stop recording in a minute. But thank you, Cait, for your energy and your love and your wisdom. It’s been an absolute pleasurable conversation to have with you.

Cait Whytock (54:44.551)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (54:48.038)
Amazing.

Cait Whytock (55:00.305)
Yeah.

Cait Whytock (55:06.096)
Yeah, thank you so much. So grateful for you and that you do this lovely podcast and yeah, everything that you do for everybody and yourself.

Victoria Kleinsman (55:14.186)
Thank you Cait. Much love to you and our listeners. I’ll see you next week. Bye bye.

Cait Whytock (55:16.998)
Lots of love. Yeah, love you guys.